Saturday, August 30, 2014

Way of the Dragon

“A movie with objective problems that gets the subjective benefit of the doubt, like Shane describes, can rise higher than a B+, but the subjective part has to be blinding in the face of objective weakness.”

Kissel said this on Tuesday when talking about our favorite movies compared to our best movies. I think this is a perfect starting point for judging Way of the Dragon. Can a kung fu movie ever be better than a B+?
Before we get to that, I want to throw this out there: A proper kung fu movie does not rely on computer or other special effects. Green screen background is one thing, but adjusting the way in which a person moves is boring. Computer imaging of Cameron Diaz doing flips is garbage. Give me Tony Jaa jumping off an elephant any day. Kung fu demands a certain physicality. So that’s where I am with categorizing a kung fu movie.

So, this is Bruce Lee’s debut as a director and writer and I’ll bring up some of his choices here before discussing his presence as a character.

The pacing of this movie is pretty solid in the beginning. Things are happening. This is something that Hart Man has made me more aware of. Even when we’re just getting to know the characters, is something interesting or amusing going on? Lee eating soup is interesting because it’s telling us something: Here is a stranger in a strange land. We see Lee get picked up but the hot Italian chick. We’re now told Lee is pretty desirable. I also love that scene because it crushed my normal bias going in. I just didn’t expect a woman to be hitting on an Asian dude. Now I know better. So just between two scenes that happen pretty quickly and could have been throwaways, we’ve learned something. Not to mention that Lee has enough timing to make this scenes kind of funny. Unfortunately, while the first 60 minutes balanced things happening and the growth of characters, the final 30 minutes happened too fast. This flick could have used an extra 10-15 minutes. I’m still not sure what to think of the uncle’s betrayal. The last third of the film was just too forced even though the fight scenes were damn near perfect.

The choreography for the fight scenes is done pretty well I think. Of course, that first set of thugs looks pretty goofy. But with the actors who know what they’re doing… Those are amazing.  But reading interviews about Lee, he really hit the shit out of people. They tried minimizing it, but the guy was a beast. There’s also a lot that he had to dumb down. He was too dang fast for it to be believable. I’ve watched some of these scenes in slow-mo and when I think he’s whiffing on people, he’s actually hit them twice. But then again, that first set of thugs. Ouch. That was not impressive by normal movie standards. Additionally, I love how many empty cardboard boxes are just laying around Rome.

Lee also got a bit aggressive on the camera angles. Some were great, but some were just trying to be creative for creativity’s sake. I feel like he watched a few Spaghetti Westerns and attempted to recreate those scenes. Specifically, a scene at the Coliseum brought me directly back to The Good, The Bad, The Ugly. Kudos for going big, but still the execution failed in a few scenes.

Lee does a pretty good job here. He’s got great timing with the comedy and obviously the guy is physically out of this world. It’s hard to say how good his acting is overall because of the dubbing, however. I love Lee’s arrogance because he has the charisma and the skill to back it up.

The rest of the cast is likewise hard to judge. Were they good acting on a technical level? I have no idea. This ultimately can only hurt a movie, not help it.

We do have to talk about Chuck Norris because he’s Chuck Norris. His acting here is nearly as limited as his political analytical abilities. But he does OK here. RIP his chest hair. But at least with his fight, we finally get some stakes. Norris starts of as his equal before Lee just turns on the afterburners and kills him.

But let’s talk about the bad guy’s right-hand man. The presence of the actor playing it was pretty good. Is he 70’s pimp? Is he slick Chinese business man? Is he gay? I could say yes to all these things. The guy convinces me from a physical standpoint. The voice dubbing over him is hilarious and is what people copy now when they’re being racist. I love giving bonus points to movies that have made subtle cultural (low brow or high brow) additions. That guy’s voice is the same voice we’ve used or heard used during a racist joke about Asians.

“I want to call… AMERICA.” I died on that line. I don’t know if it was a joke or serious.

Kung fu is the real star of the movie. That’s the movie’s strength and weakness. The moves, to me, are mesmerizing. Bruce Lee is incredibly fast. Chuck Norris added the element of power to the stealth. Watching those two fight was a pleasure. BUT, it’s limited. Kung fu isn’t a character. We can’t explore its depth. It has no motivation. It just is. Because it’s the focus, we end up with goofy plotlines with serious holes because we have to have the fighting. Forcing something is never healthy for a movie. The dialogue becomes bookends to prop up what the movie is about, which is badass martial artists doing their thing. The dialogue can never really –add- to the kung fu.

But visuals can be added. We see it in Way of the Dragon with some stylistic choices. The cat playing with a toy as Lee crushed Norris was a nice touch, though a bit corny by today’s standards. In Ong Bak, we see tons of colors and outfits that add to the fight. And seriously, Tony Jaa uses an elephant’s tusks the way a gymnasts uses the uneven bars. Entertaining, of course but it can never be emotional.

So, can a true kung fu movie ever be above a B+? I say probably not.

Way of the Dragon: B+

Stray observations:
-He really likes soup
-The scene of him awkwardly figuring out if the girl looking for someone was the girl he was looking for. Great observational comedy.
-He abused those toilets.
-I like that it was dubbed into English, but he couldn’t read English.

-He scared that kid into dropping his ice cream. For no reason. AWESOME.

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  1. “Return of the Dragon” has some special significance in the history of cinema. It is Bruce Lee’s only directorial effort. Apparently, he did everything for this movie – wrote, produced, directed, starred. It’s a fun little answer to a trivia question, and that’s about all it should be. This is the type of movie you should either watch while extremely altered or just find the few decent clips on Youtube and stash those in your favorites. I suppose there is some historical significance to this movie, but the simple plot contains far too many characters for me to care about any of them, the good fight scenes are few and far between, and the humor was flat.

    Let’s start with that plot. It was basically a video game plot. Restaurant struggling, bad guys wanna clear it out, blah blah blah. Great, now go punch someone in the face Bruce. However, I think we go a solid 30 minutes before Lee actually has a fight scene, and that scene is just to mop up the floor with some goons. In that first 30 minutes, we get some, uh, humorous scenes? It was all humor of the lowest order – oh their going back to the bathroom gag again? Sure, why not? (Shane did nail the funniest part of the movie: I really want to call an operator and ask to call America now.) We’re also introduced to a slew of characters that I gave exactly zero shits about. Why does this struggling Chinese restaurant need six waiters at all times? Later in the movie, when the two got killed, I was pretty much thinking “ok, great, move on, when do Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee fight?” Speaking of Chuck Norris, his character Colt is wildly flat. Why does he get on a plane to fight this dude to the death? This was the same complaint I had with Sharknado – throw in just a couple throwaway lines to give him some sort of motivation.

    I’m 99% sure this movie was made just to have Lee and Norris fight in the Coliseum. Lee probably got someone in Rome to agree to shut the place down for a day so he could do something, and then banged out a script whose sole purpose was to get to that scene. And that scene is awesome. Fun fight, nice gag grabbing the chest hair, but again, no reason why Colt doesn’t just submit once beaten. There are three solid fight scenes that take up about 15 minutes, and the rest of the movie is just pointless fluff to get to those scenes. At least “Enter the Dragon” had a plot that made some semblance of sense. If you want to watch a Bruce Lee movie, track that one down.

    Finally, a couple pet peeves. I know we discussed it already, but I just want to reiterate the dubbing was APPALLING. Holy shit, that was brutal. I’m sure it was b/c it was the 70’s and no one gave a shit, but my God. You have to take that into consideration with this movie. Also, I know I mentioned this with “The Game,” but that recurring piano motif made me want to drill a hole into my ear. It’s everywhere and got wildly annoying very quickly.

    Despite all these flaws… I would actually rewatch this trainwreck. Good pint night movie. However, it doesn’t have the same tongue-in-cheek appeal movies like Machete Kills and Sharknado have. It also put me to sleep near the end. Blah.

    + Rewatchable if absolutely wasted
    + Couple great fight scenes
    - Everything else basically

    Grade: D

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    1. "Why does this struggling Chinese restaurant need six waiters at all times?" Not everywhere is as cut throat as the good 'ole USA, laying off all employees at the first sign of bad times

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    2. Actually this is something my dad prides himself on - he always maintains his full staff in the winter, even though he only needs about half of them. But, he needs the full crew come summer time. He KNOWS there will be work eventually. This goofy restaurant had no end to their troubles in sight.

      Wait, am I really going to be baited into an argument of the economy of "Way of the Dragon?"

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    3. And they knew Bruce would save the day!

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  2. I watched a few Kung Fu movies in high school, but can't remember much of them. My reviews are generally awful, so I'm going to try something new. Best to Worst in order...

    Best
    +Every Liu Kang flying kick. http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/135549-mortal-kombat-ii-snes-screenshot-liu-kang-attacks-with-his.png
    +Bruce Lee's crazy fast action
    +Hand-dart gun
    +Cheesy comedy. The soup scene, the bad guy's number 2 man, main bad fighter pushing other guys towards Bruce Lee when fighting
    +Betraying uncle, didn't see that coming
    +Build up to seeing Lee actually fight
    +I liked the token Chinese guys fighting outside the restaurant
    =I thought the dubbing was fine, I didn't have high hopes for a 1972 Kung Fu voice overlay
    -The flow of the story was WEIRD. No fighting for 45 minutes, then nothing but fighting for the last 45.
    -Chuck Norris, by the time he shows up I was much more interested in 1 vs 10 compared to 1 on 1
    -Story line overall was pretty bad, worse than video games.
    -Why were they doing translations from English to English
    Worst

    I'd leave it on the TV while vacuuming. B-

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    1. I didn't want to get into it on Facebook, but this was my issue with your grading rubric. Much like how I will buy plenty of horseshit movies for < $5, I will leave a lot of shitty movies on in the background while doing whatever else that it is getting 90% of my attention.

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    2. "Betraying uncle, didn't see that coming"

      Oh c'mon, just b/c you didn't see something coming doesn't make it a plus, especially if it made zero sense. Hey, remember Apocalypse Now? What would you have done if Colonel Kurtz all the sudden morphed into a talking zombie goat? I mean, you wouldn't have seen it coming, so that's a plus, right? It's fine to be blindsided by something, but it has to make sense in hindsight. As Kissel pointed out, the betrayal makes absolutely no sense. It made the movie even worse for me personally.

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    3. "What would you have done if Colonel Kurtz all the sudden morphed into a talking zombie goat?"

      This is exactly what I thought happened the first time I watched From Dusk Til Dawn. I have no idea it was a vampire movie.

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    4. I won't leave shitty movies on. I have podcasts I can listen to

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  3. I don't know a lot about the history of martial arts movies. It seems like Bruce Lee was the first crossover star, bringing the whole genre to the West. It makes sense that this would start in the early 70's with Nixon opening up China, so I guess the novelty of Chinese boxing and karate papered over the flaws in Return of the Dragon. This was a spectacular hit, earning $85 million off of what I calculated as a $98,000 budget. But, come on. It's a bad film from a guy who doesn't know how to write, and is marginally better at directing.

    If anyone says they prefer dubbing to subtitles after watching this, they're just wrong. The dialogue is already stilted, but putting the dubs on top of it is an abomination. It's impossible to get invested in the characters because everyone sounds like an alien who has never actually heard a normal conversation. This seems to be a problem with just East Asian languages to English, as I've turned on the French dubbing for Deadwood a handful of times just out of curiosity, and it still sounds good, with matching cadences and inflections. English and French are related languages, sure, but there has to be a way to improve the timing. The dubbing here was so bad, it broke the movie for me. When the Japanese immigrant (probably) waiters are rattling off their names as Thomas, Robert, Jimmy, etc, I'm pretty much done and no one's thrown a punch yet.

    This is a shame, because Bruce Lee's an obviously talented guy. He's a physical freak, a 1 in 100 million specimen with perfect musculature and body control. Him kicking William or whichever waiter into the stack of boxes felt 100% real and got one of the Holy Shit exclamations from me that martial arts movies run on. Shane pointed out his decent comic timing, and despite his over-the-top hand gestures, I'll go along with that. He's the best part of the movie by a wide margin.

    The fight choreography is impressive only depending on who's doing the fighting. Lee and Norris acquit themselves well, and the other two are fine. When Lee's just fighting cannon fodder, it's not great. Lee produces those nunchaks out of nowhere, and they're completely unnecessary anyway. Lee kicks their ass as a group, then the head guido in charge sends each of them after Lee one at a time. Why not flip the order? It's a waste of time. Then, head guido makes a sound like Super Mario and runs away.

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  4. Thus ends anything good I have to say about Return of the Dragon. This is the worst script we've encountered so far, excepting Sharknado which was bad on purpose. Phil mentioned it was a video game. I would've gone A-Team episode, but I've played enough Double Dragon to know that Phil's right. What are the motivations here? An established Roman mobster has become fixated on this one restaurant for what purpose? Does he want to buy it? Does he want protection money? Is there a point of diminishing returns after which he decides maybe this isn't worth it, because there are hundreds of other restaurants in Rome? The face-heel turn on the uncle makes even less sense. His life goal was to return to Hong Kong with a buttload of money, which he could've got from selling the restaurant to the mobster who wanted to buy it. What purpose is there to stabbing his waiters in the back? Was there anything in the movie that suggested this was going to happen? Why not have the mobster agree to the sale, but only if the uncle gives up Tang Lung?

    Shane mentioned the fish-out-of-water aspect, but Tang Lung is moving from Hong Kong to Rome. Hong Kong was still British-run at this point, so it's not like European civilization would be so foreign to him. The big homesick moments comes when he and his cousin are sightseeing at Roman ruins and he says they remind of China. What? Leaving that head-scratcher aside, he also acts like he's on the spectrum. So many of his reactions are not things a person would do. Some of this could be an attempt at humor, like with the constant pooping he seems to do, but all the laughs I got from Return of the Dragon were unintentional.

    There are so many other mistakes. There's no sense of urgency to anything. The thugs keep showing up, but Tang Lung wastes time in his apartment and seeing the sights. He throws his first punch more than 30 minutes in. Why would Lee kid himself? The only reason anyone's watching this movie is to see him kick ass. The Chinese second-in-command is a big gay stereotype given nonsensical direction. To show he's serious, he pinches the uncle. The dubbing on the black characters must have been uncomfortable in the booth. "Add more jive. 25% blacker." The sound effects bleed into Three Stooges territory on more than one occasion. The most ridiculous thing in the whole film has to be when the good guys go to the mobster's office. The mobster and his fey number two hide behind a wall, like they think Tang Lung et al are just going to forget about them. This is not human behavior.

    I've been spoiled for martial arts movies by the Raid movies and the Grandmaster. The former are two of the best action movies of the last decade, and the latter is about character first, story second, and breathtaking fights last, like a movie. I'm not averse to going back to Lee in the future, if only to see him kick Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's ass, but this is a disaster. Maybe the culture clash was too much for Lee, but then why even make the movie in Rome? I don't give him any brownie points for being a first-time director, because a second opinion might have injected something resembling recognizable characters. That doesn't mean he wasn't an incredible martial artist. It means he can't direct or write for shit. The circus-like charisma of his athleticism and the climactic fight get it to a D+. Now, get me five bowls of soup.

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    1. Remember a couple months back when I asked if Crackle had free movies? I was asking b/c I wanted to pick The Raid. We'll probably need to go there sooner or later.

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    2. Though the stylized fighting of The Grandmaster is fun to watch, I'm way more impressed by the final fights in Way of the Dragon. I felt like the Grandmaster depended on exceptional camera work as opposed to showing me kung fu. Regardless, it's an excellent movie.

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    3. That's a fair point about the Grandmaster. Way of the Dragon has the best athlete, the Grandmaster looks and is acted the best, and the Raids split the difference with a martial artist in the lead and are actually true movies. Way of the Dragon only works as a Lee showcase.

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    4. I haven't seen The Grandmaster yet... but i've had Ip Man (and the sequel) in my queueueue for a while now... I'm gonna bump them up the priority and watch them soon. It's one of those rare times when the sequel is supposedly better than the first.. so much so, that they considered not making the third!

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    5. For pure kung fu goofy plot tomfoolery, check out Ong Bak 1 and 2. Ong Bak 3 just isn't nearly as good. They tried to make a plot in that one. No bueno.

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  5. "If anyone says they prefer dubbing to subtitles after watching this, they're just wrong." How liberal of you.

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  6. There is really only one reason you watch this movie... Bruce Lee. The Martial Arts and, perhaps Chuck Norris, are secondary reasons and are a product of Lee anyway. I remember seeing this as a child, and being in awe of Lee... same when I watched his movies as a teenager, and it still holds true today.

    But first.. yes, the movie has problems. There is some bad acting, bad plot (discussed enough by others, that I don't feel the need to), and bad villains who are ridiculously stupid. Stupid villains, though, seem common from my recollection of movies that display the talents/heroism of a single star character. I don't think this is a movie you can take too seriously, if you want to enjoy it. It was supposed to be a comedy, and a lot of the things that happen are for laughs, even if it all isn't great humor.

    I think a lot of those things give it that video game feel that is mentioned, but the other side to that is one of my favorite things about the film. Bruce Lee inspired a ton of video games and characters. Bryan mentioned one of the most notable ones in Lui Kang (Mortal Kombat) But the premise of continually fighting crappy bad guys on the way to a final boss showdown is something I like. Plot be damned, I want to see the fighting. I feel like I got to play games like Double Dragon and River City Ransom because of movies like this, maybe even because of this movie. Lee even got a Johnny Cage punch in there!

    The dubbing doesn't really affect my grade. If it were to, it would be positively... as it's something I've always remembered of old Kung Fu (even if i can't remember the movies at all) growing up. Kids (probably adults too) would fake dub themselves when play fighting, pretending to be martial arts masters... all the while looking like clumsy white idiots. I actually think the dubbing in The Good, The Bad and the Ugly was worse than this.... because that movie was intended to be released in English. I had a long rant about this, but it's not even worth it to argue. Still, it's similar to saying that The Matrix, 300, etc(insert visually amazing movies here) are F grade movies because the visuals were bad, due to you only having an old 4:3 standard definition television on which to watch them.

    Anyway, Bruce Lee wins the day. His body is incredible, only to be matched by this control over it. I was a bit in awe while he was flexing about, and a little bit intimidated. Any scene that involved him fighting was enjoyable... even when he's surrounded by bad actors and enemies. His goofy facial expressions and general charisma on screen where highlights as well. The movie put Lee on display, and it worked. I do agree with Kissel though, that waiting so long for his first bit of action was disappointing.

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    1. I completely forgot there was dubbing Good, Bad, and Ugly. I gave that movie a B so it's not a complete dealbreaker, but it was probably a factor in why it didn't get higher. It always strikes me as a terrible choice. Just put in the subtitles and don't insult me by assuming I'll only watch a movie if it's in my language.

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    2. You did mention the dubbing in your review... I would have called you out on it specifically had you not! :-p

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    3. In Good, Bad, Ugly, the dubbing was because the actors couldn't speak English. It would have been weird to have half of the conversation in Italian with subtitles and the other half in English. To me, you have to give a little leeway on older movies like that where budget and travel issues made a difference in what directors could do. It'd be like judging a 70's movie special effects by 2014 standards. Of course Star Wars looks corny compared to Pacific Rim.

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  7. This brings us to the payoff... the showdown between Lee and Norris in the Colosseum. I don't like Chuck Norris, not in the least. Mostly because I can't stand Chuck Norris jokes (mostly because he's reportedly been an ass about them). But, I do respect his ability, and I think it says something about his martial arts skill that Lee chose him. We're given a great venue for a great battle. The choreography is great, and puts their skills in the forefront. I liked the use of the first person view, seeing their kicks coming at us. I'd imagine some 3-d footage of Lee would be incredible to watch. The chest hair pull was good for a laugh, the sweep of the leg felt like a precursor to Karate Kid, and the sounds Lee makes while kicking ass remind me of dominating Mortal Kombat for many years.

    I'll always enjoy this movie, along with other martial arts films... and I was all ready to watch Enter the Dragon (which is better, if i remember correctly) but Netflix isn't streaming it right now. I may just watch Fearless today, instead. Bruce Lee is the sole reason to watch Return of (Way) of the Dragon, and he delivers the Gung Fu we'd expect. The plot and script fall pretty low in priority for me here, but they're definitely issues. Bruce Lee is an A+, but the movie settles around to a B for me.

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    1. I was gonna drop to a B-, but I think you're right. This is a B and Lee is an A+.

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  8. Shane... are you implying that Fearless isn't a true Kung Fu movie?!

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    1. Not a true one, no. But if I recall correctly, there is plenty of legit kung fu in there.

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    2. I guess the question would be... what defines a 'true kung fu movie' and what keeps Fearless out?

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    3. Maybe I should say pure rather than true. I need to watch Fearless again.

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  9. If we're judging picks based on participation, Shane blew it. I liked this pick. And I think it made me hate Frances Ha even more. What doesn't? Am I right?

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    1. Nunchuks would have solved a lot of her problems, or anyone's problems for that matter.

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    2. I actually rewatched Frances Ha with Blair. Nunchuks would have made the playfighting scene possibly tragic.

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    3. That definitely would have steered the movie in a different direction....

      Back to the original topic at hand... What was there to participate in here? Seriously, movies like this are fun I suppose, but not much discussion fodder here.

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  10. Just out of curiousity.... Has anyone else here actually seen Enter the Dragon?

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    1. I'm surprised you rated this movie above a C having seen that. I couldn't help comparing it to Enter The Dragon. Even though it's been almost a decade since seeing it, I remember Enter The Dragon being far superior.

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    2. Enter the Dragon is superior... but not by a ton for me. It's also a completely different movie. It's a Hollywood movie, which had the biggest budget ever for a kung-fu flick at the time. It was also more serious, and wasn't attempting the comedic route like Way of the Dragon. There are plenty of issues with Enter the Dragon, too. It did, however, nail the blacksploitation.

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    3. Enter the Dragon was going to be my choice, but it wasn't on Netflix streaming.

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  12. Ok I totally forgot to comment on this movie. I watched it though and it sucked. The dubbing was distracting but you can get over that if it's a remotely good story. The plot was dumb, the twist was dumb, and all the characters were dumb. Did Bruce Lee love stupid slapstick antics from old silent films? Is that why he ate 43 bowls of soup and kept having to go to the toilet in the first third of the movie? I don't know but if you wanna be slapstick be slapstick don't half do it.

    Sidebar- At Ryan Wininger's bachelor party his friend Quin got shitfaced on painkillers and booze (he is on disability from neck surgery after being electrocuted while working at Sams Club) and ate approximately 6 bowls of French Onion soup at the hotel bar. Somehow he was still appealing enough to have two random chicks flirt with him for an hour while their boyfriends sat on the other end of the bar (no idea). At one point he touched one of them apparently too low on the back and bf comes out of nowhere and grabs him by the back of the neck. I hopped up in an instant and got in bf's face. That was the last time I thought I was going to get in a real fight.

    Bruce Lee moves fast, I like the camera technique during the fight with Chuck Norris.

    D+ Shane picked the worst Bruce Lee movie. Enter the Dragon is so much better as is Big Boss

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  13. I don't have much to add because I'm bringing up the rear of reviews and most of you discussed the main points. What I liked about it was the action and the woman's boobs. The fight scene with Lee and Norris was pretty good. It can hold up against other fight scenes. Watching Lee's athleticism amazed me. I always heard about how nimble and quick he was but never saw it until this film.

    Other than those things, the movie was bad. The action and the boobs brought it up a whole letter grade from a D- to a C- and I am fine with it being there.

    Grade: C-

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    1. Oh, also...which Lee movie had Kareem Abdul - Jabbar? I saw a picture of that fight scene and Jabbar's length of his arm. Reminded me of that Hindu guy from Street Fighter. Pretty amazing.

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    2. Game of Death, the one that Lee didn't get to finish.

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